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BA New Routes With Dreamliner?  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 339 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Hi All,

As stated by BA, the dreamliners will be used in part to start new long haul routes. What do we think these might be.

My Guesses (I know some of these used to be served so not strictly new!)

Seoul

Osaka

Hyderabad

Kuala Lumpur

Auckland

Perth (non-stop)?

Vietnam

Colombo

Any ideas?


British Airways Cabin Crew, LHR based.
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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Perth (non-stop)?

I would LOVE to see LHR-PER nonstop. I've always been dreaming that they'd start that route. I believe I posted on this some months ago and the response i got was there is not enough demand for this route. It is more profitable for BA to run via BKK or SIN than to run via PER... I think it would still be aweome to run England-Australia nonstop. I really wish that this comes true but it seems that running 744's through SE Asia is more profitable... We'll see.


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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States, joined Aug 2005, 487 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

What about restarting LHR-SAN? Seems like a perfect fit.

User currently offlineDl767captain From United States, joined Mar 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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Quoting LHUSA (Reply 2):

thats an interesting one, they tried it for a while with the 772 but the 787 is much lighter and built for this kind of route. The weight reduction could allow the route to be profitable. SAN definately has the capacity to warrant international routes, instead of having to go up to lax or sfo but it could be very expensive. It would be very interesting to see BA and lh (if they get the 787) and see what SAN turns in to

User currently offlineFlyf15 From United States, joined May 1999, 6012 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Maybe a reinstatement of the soon to be axed London - Detroit?


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12634 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 1):
Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Perth (non-stop)?

I would LOVE to see LHR-PER nonstop. I've always been dreaming that they'd start that route. I believe I posted on this some months ago and the response i got was there is not enough demand for this route. It is more profitable for BA to run via BKK or SIN than to run via PER... I think it would still be aweome to run England-Australia nonstop. I really wish that this comes true but it seems that running 744's through SE Asia is more profitable... We'll see.

VS has stated they will be starting their route with the B787's...so it will be interesting to see who gets going on this route first....maybe even QF or JQ will try this route....


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 7334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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Well, BA has -8s on order (incidentally, does anyone know the split between -8s and -9s?) and QF has expressed an interest in ULH -8s for SYD-LHR, so it would surprise me if BA were not also interested.

As for other destinations, I think it will depend on whether/when BA gets new slots at LHR; when LHR moves to "mixed mode", it will be able to get new slots, with which new routes can be started. Or existing routes can be increased. KIX might be a possibility, but I think new routes to India (HYD, for example) would be more likely. A nonstop LHR-SCL might also be a possibility.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Auckland

don't anticipate ever seeing them back at AKL - they seem quite happy with the marketing presence they gain from their codeshares into AKL on QF and CX metal . Sadly AKL has a double whammy against it from BA's perspective 1/ it is a low yield market and 2 / barring a quantum leap in development it is always going to require an enroute stop - there are many other market opportunities which BA could pursue . Secondary cities in India and China for example , and , if BA allow IB to be snatched from under their nose by AF/KL then it would be vital to re-introduce services to additional South American points .


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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LHR-MSP? Or would BA operate a 763 on that route?


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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LHR to Santiago, Chile, Lima Peru could be two more routes. Portland, Oregon in the USA.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 10049 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

BA is at the moment working on the project to start long haul services-to the US in particular, from major European cities.
It looks like maybe 2 extra B757's, sourced from beyond the BA mainline fleet, will be part of this.
Though the structure of this operation is as yet unclear, it is possible that a separate entity rather like BA's late 1990's LCC, 'Go', might be the model.

If these are successful, become an established part of the greater BA network, a potential for 787's sourced from the BA fleet in the future-probably from firming up options on this type?

User currently offlineSANFan From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 2):
What about restarting LHR-SAN? Seems like a perfect fit.

Now there's an idea!  Wink It goes without saying that most of us here on A.net with any San Diego ties would love to see this happen, no matter how remote the possibility. The aircraft could certainly make it work this time!

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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Auckland

Between QF and NZ trying to grab the market to Europe from New Zealand I think QF would object it

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Perth (non-stop)?

Is VS actually going to operate LHR-PER or is it just an example of what the 787 can do? BA left the Australian market to QF (appart from SYD) and I dont think they plan to go back (as much as I would love a BA 787 in BNE)


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User currently offlineLhpdx From United States, joined Dec 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

LHR-PDX would be a great route for British airways...Perfect size aircraft for our mid sized market..........

User currently offlineRookinla From United States, joined Aug 2005, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
It goes without saying that most of us here on A.net with any San Diego ties would love to see this happen, no matter how remote the possibility. The aircraft could certainly make it work this time!

I don't think that this idea is remote at all. While announcing the Dreamliner order, BA stated that they would use some to start new US routes. My money, in no particular order, is on London to...

DTW
SAN
STL
FLL
SJU (least likely of the four but possible)

Except for SAN and DTW, the other three are AA strongholds and would allow AA to codeshare and offer onward connections thru BA's longhaul network. Thoughts???

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
It goes without saying that most of us here on A.net with any San Diego ties would love to see this happen, no matter how remote the possibility. The aircraft could certainly make it work this time!

Can the operational constraints at SAN which restricts the effective length of the runway to 7600 feet be overcome by the 787 at a payload considerably better than max passenger load for what would be something like a 4900nm stage length. You might want to check the load/range charts on Boeings website. I find it unlikely that any carrier would run such a route for passenger load only.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2198 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
BA is at the moment working on the project to start long haul services-to the US in particular, from major European cities.
It looks like maybe 2 extra B757's, sourced from beyond the BA mainline fleet, will be part of this.

BA is looking for 2 B757 to operate in Europe.
The two B757 which will open the TATL routes will be PEJ and PEK.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 1478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 12):
Is VS actually going to operate LHR-PER or is it just an example of what the 787 can do?

IIRC VS announced it, but did not make it official to allow more research on the route.

-CXfirst


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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1121 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
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Quoting Rookinla (Reply 14):

Except for SAN and DTW, the other three are AA strongholds and would allow AA to codeshare and offer onward connections thru BA's longhaul network. Thoughts???

SAN I can see. DTW they just announced they will cease. There was an article in SanDiegoUnionTribune that the San Diego Regional Airport Authority agreed to "woo" international carriers thru a mix of financial incentives, lower landing fees, rent etc, and BA was specifically mentioned.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 17):
SAN I can see. DTW they just announced they will cease. There was an article in SanDiegoUnionTribune that the San Diego Regional Airport Authority agreed to "woo" international carriers thru a mix of financial incentives, lower landing fees, rent etc, and BA was specifically mentioned.

On another thread,

SAN Apparently Adopts Incentive Program (by SANFan Oct 6 2007 in Civil Aviation)

various rumors and such regarding new SAN-Europe service is being discussed, along with the new incentive program.

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